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Just some thoughts.

I've noticed a strange thing about myself, that I don't actually like to change people's minds. I get a disappointed feeling when someone says, out of the blue (at least to me!), "alright, you've convinced me! I'll [read Ishmael, eat paleo, unschool my kids, etc., etc.]." It can really shock me.

I actually like other people in the world to have strong opinions different to my own. I can't explain why. I just do. I don't mean this as some virtuous thing. I just like it. And I like to get annoyed at them too. And I don't even come from Italian stock. My ancestors come from Denmark! Explain that!

I especially like to feel my own perspectives really strongly and passionately.

I guess more than anything, as a writer and a member of a rewilding renaissance, I want to provide support for people who can't articulate how they feel, but need help feeling good about it. I want to help them articulate it so they can  "defend" it. So they can stand up for their instincts. So  they can feel sane!

The Ken Wilburs and such of the world fall way down at the bottom of my list, of people who I want to support. I give my care and concern away for free to the rewilder-at-heart, who just needs a little help understanding their predicament and inspiration. I'd seriously charge Ken Wilbur a hefty sum for the same service if he cared enough to pay it.

As time goes on, I see the renaissance happening on smaller and smaller, more and more local levels. At some point I may not leave my neighborhood, I may not leave my living room, anymore. Metaphorically speaking.

I took up Tonyz's recommendation and checked "Zen and the Brain" out from the library today. If I hadn't made it clear, I've always had a lot of curiousity about Zen (since my teenage years) and read up on it a lot. My stance on Zen certainly doesn't come from a distaste for the practice...quite the opposite. Any meditative practice that puts one in the "now" I value a lot. I also value informed consent...one should have the opportunity to know the backstory...

Today I also visited a good friend of mine who carves Kwan Yin's out of 6' tall cedar stumps. He does an amazing job. Beautiful! We talk about mythic cartography sometimes. I really like Kwan Yin, because (from what I've heard and read) she represents a folk upwelling of the Earth Mother, from outside the confines of the buddhist priesthood, and essentially (like the church absorbing the solstice holiday) the buddhist religion had to absorb her and canonize her to retain control over the little Earth Goddess revolution happening in their backyard. I like it when that kind of thing happens. :)


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Spiritual Technology / Re: Dreams
« on: March 24, 2007, 01:26:40 PM »
I love it. What a beautiful dream. Fun to read!

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You could possibly influence the fellow 'all the new agers seem to love' - thus influencing all the new agers.

I guess this just doesn't interest me terribly much, 'influencing' Ken Wilbur. I don't mind him espousing what he wants to espouse...I just also want to make sure people have access to other messages, or to insights into the possible cracks of his message. I don't expect any special relationship with Ken Wilbur the person, but Ken Wilbur the philosopher has a lot of impact, that I'd like to offer alternatives to.

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Who knows, maybe you can find the right wedge and hammer to place a crack in the ego of a well known thinker.

He needs to pay me for that kind of work. :)

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Maybe all his previous ideas were the popular precursors to his next step, a world shaker of a book - and he's just waiting for someone to give him a gentle prodding.

I'd rather we write that book. :)

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Maybe. Also, why hate in private? LET HIM KNOW.

Why hate in private? I call it venting. I reserve the right to vent. :)  Also, as I've said, the 'hate' remains more of a tongue-in-cheek use of the word. Real hate towards Wilbur would display a particularly pointless use of my capacity to direct anger.

If you'd like to engage Ken in conversation, I definitely support you.

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I find it too difficult to make useful generalizations about different religions.
I manage to successfully combine Christian Gnosticism, Asatru and Taoism;  Fukuoka-san combined Buddhism and Shinto.

I don't know what you mean to comment on here...do you think I made non-useful generalizations in some of my comments? Did someone else?

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Relationships, Partnerships & Sexuality / Re: polyamory
« on: March 22, 2007, 10:02:27 PM »
Sadly, I don't think that thread got saved during the demise of Ishcon. I remember that like it happened yesterday. You called yourself 'Professor Raymond', which still makes me laugh my ass off. And you didn't even spell 'professor' right half the time! Or 'Raymond'! Or 'polygamy'! And they still fell for it! Ahahahaha! And then someone asked Daniel Quinn! Ahhhhh! Crazies!

At least he can smell a joke. He never displays a sense of humor in those Q&A's, and I can only explain his joking that way. Of course, I agree with the idea, as a single idea that would totter the Taker worldview. Ha ha!

Hilarious. I'll take that professor raymond shit to my grave. heh.

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Language & Oral Tradition / Re: The E-primitive Thought Experiment
« on: March 22, 2007, 04:29:15 PM »
I just wanted to give y'all a heads up to another great book on a rewilding of language. This may surprise you, but "Nonviolent Communication" (also known as "compassionate communication"), by Marshall Rosenberg, has some amazing things to say about thinking and speaking in terms of what you observe and experience, rather than outmoded paradigms of 'shoulds' and 'oughts'. In fact he starts out the book describing the ways of modern languages as languages of enslavement, a linguistic tradition originating with the birth of civilization and 'power-over' (as opposed to 'power-with').

In fact that book has directly inspired a lot of my writing and paradigm shifts, which I express in terms of the Empathic Way, and it's sequel.

Really fun stuff.

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Health, Healing & Movement / Re: Martial Arts
« on: March 21, 2007, 01:51:07 PM »
Well, SHIFT has gone through a few phases. In some we made it like an Open Space free-for-all, in others a more instructor-driven experience, in others more like a dance-off. Right now it looks like me drilling participants in what I consider basic movement skills. In some way, it does work like an Open Space every time, because I/we base it on what the people who show up want to do and learn. Thus, it looks a bit like a martial-arts club right now. That could change at any time.

Funny, Rory, how you mention aikido in reference to 'rigid' martial-arts...though the art as a whole does display some classicalness (especially for beginners!!!), basic aikido body skills (not technique, but ability to center, relax, connect with an opponent, and the idea of transcending the idea of 'opponents') have operated so centrally in what I do I almost feel like I really practice aikido, even though I haven't studied it in years and don't remember any of the techniques. Ha! You can ask Chuck for some feedback on this -- some of the aikido centering exercises had a big impact on his balance and so on. Also Towhee, a member here, attends and he may have some insight about his experiences.

[EDIT: Also, yes, Jeet Kune Do effing rocks. I have a really good friend who grew up practically in Dan Inosanto's lap, and he has loads and loads of great stories and martial arts insights. I can't believe how much genius Bruce Lee possessed, for more than his movie career would imply]

[EDIT #2: Freddie Mercury? I usually get Johnny Depp, believe it or not. I did pick Freddie Mercury's pic from the avatar list. Thus the resemblence of Freddie Mercury to..himself. ;)  ]



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Cool WildeRix! I just like to hear folks as they think aloud through all their options...what else can we do but balance the pluses and minuses of a panoply of impossible situations, situations this culture purposely set up to bedevil us!

As long we spend time sincerely thinking things through (unlike 99.9% of modern enslaved humans), any decision makes sense. I enjoy reading about you untangling all those threads!

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Language & Oral Tradition / Re: The E-primitive Thought Experiment
« on: March 21, 2007, 12:14:31 PM »
I've watched all 7 seasons of Buffy, so I can attest to their verby-ness. Actually, even without the verb consciousness, viewers of that show remain aware of Joss Whedon's constructed 'valley-girl' teen language. It sounds like something someone would speak somewhere...but he made it all up. Really interesting.

Watch enough of those shows in a row and you start seeing the world in terms of 'talismans' and metaphorical 'demons'. Weird.

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lucky voyin to have some canned steak from an american!

I don't remember!

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"baran: from the can to the pan to the man" and pat our stomachs.

Ha ha. It almost sounds like life in the army, you know? Weird industrialized food in the middle of nowhere.

I found Voyin as a puppy just rotting on the sidewalk. He had a leg wound. All the Russian passers-by just ignored him. It blew my mind...nobody even paid the least attention! I couldn't handle it. A puppy! And I don't even like dogs. They smell bad.

Curt-

I also found Orlov's comments on American family hilarious. 'Family values' indeed. Christ. Fortunately I have a family of wacky enough types that enough the non-collapse ones will come around sooner or later.

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Visions of the Rewilding Renaissance / Re: New/Old Stuff
« on: March 21, 2007, 12:06:48 PM »
pretty much same thing. obsidian = volcanically induced glass.

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I agree with everything Scout says. For school, the system represent the real curriculum, the real content.

John Taylor Gatto wrote a relatively short article on this that sums it up great. Give it to anyone who considers school like 'democracy'; "it sucks but it's the best system we've got." Bullshit!

Mr. Gatto says in the following article, "It only takes about 50 contact hours to transmit basic literacy and math skills well enough that kids can be self-teachers from then on. The cry for "basic skills" practice is a smokescreen behind which schools pre-empt the time of children for twelve years and teach them the six lessons I've just taught you."

http://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html


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**READ HERE FIRST** / Re: Introductions
« on: March 21, 2007, 11:55:06 AM »
Hmmm...ninjas...pirates...ninjas...pirates...I just can't make the call. Too close. Kudos to your ability to choose your favored one, Rory.


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Stricken-

Please tell me about why you suggest this.

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Social Technology / Re: Girls Gone Rewild
« on: March 20, 2007, 02:34:49 PM »
Oh mi god. What a relief. Thanks.

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Social Technology / Re: Girls Gone Rewild
« on: March 20, 2007, 02:28:05 PM »
How do we fix this thread? Or do only I see a lack of word wrap here? ack!

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