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Rewilding Mind & Heart / Suggested reading
« on: February 18, 2009, 07:45:14 AM »
I've been immersing myself in anti-civ literature for the past few weeks. Here are some of the best pieces I've read so far:

Post-Civ!, a deeper exploration
A brief critique of civilization and primitivism and treatise on post-civilizational theory. Also includes a fictive depiction of a possible post-civilized society.

Hunter-Gatherer #1
The notorious CrimeThinc. collective brings together rewilding, DIY, magick, "folk science" and more in this inspirational "Journal of Folklore & Folkwar"

Why I Am Not A Primitivist
Probably much the best critique of primitivism out there (which is to say the only decent one). The piece starts with a summary of the anarcho-primitivist discourse of the 1980's-1990's and then offers a brief assessment of the pro's and con's of primitivism.

Grief & Praise / Re: Stop dat rapin' of our Mama!
« on: February 18, 2009, 07:17:14 AM »
Here's another story along those lines: http://snafu-ed.blogspot.com/2009/02/woman-seriously-mauled-in-attack-by.html

A chimp unexpectedly attacks "owner"'s friend, is stabbed by "owner", shot and killed by police. Among the questions asked surrounding this incident "Why the hell did she have fellow primate for a pet?" isn't one of them.

**READ HERE FIRST** / Re: Direction of this website?
« on: February 17, 2009, 05:10:59 PM »
Perhaps this issue is tied to Anthropik no longer being active?

What's the deal there? There hasn't been any activity on Anthropik since before I'd heard of rewilding.

Land / DIY Land - Spiral Island
« on: February 16, 2009, 04:32:06 PM »
I couldn't find any previous mention of Spiral Island here, so I wanted to share this with ya'll.

The floating Spiral Island was created by Rishi Sowa in 1998 using thousands of empty bottles, mangrove trees and a few other materials. Though not fully sustainable, the island was a complete residence including a hut, self-composting toilet and solar oven. The island was destroyed in a hurricane in 2005, but Sowa has already started building a second island. While not a project rewilders would be likely to imitate, I do think we can take inspiration from it.


Grief & Praise / Re: Stop dat rapin' of our Mama!
« on: February 16, 2009, 02:48:46 PM »
Viktor Leushkin, a village official, told the Itar-Tass news agency: “These predators have to be destroyed. Once they kill a human, they will do it again and again.”

Sounds like someone is mistaking the behaviour of the wild with the behaviour of civilized humanity.

**READ HERE FIRST** / Re: Direction of this website?
« on: February 16, 2009, 02:39:04 PM »
Personally, I tend to find the collapse section a mood lifter.  But that's just me.

I third the sentiment. I'm reassured that people besides civ-sedated survivalists and nihilistic doomsayers are thinking about collapse and preparing for it. Plus thinking about collapse really puts whatever minor daily defeats and successes I may have into better perspective.

Spiritual Technology / Re: druidry is the ideal rewilding spiritual path.
« on: February 16, 2009, 02:29:38 PM »
Another nitpick: the Celts were not indigenous.  They had three social classes, warriors, druids, and commoners.

"Indigenous" doesn't mean classless, it's roughly a synonym of "native". Though, as bikerdruid noted, the Book of Invasions relates that the Celts weren't native to Ireland. In the long run no one is native to anywhere besides Ethiopia or thereabouts. I suppose a necessary component to rewilding is becoming native to where you live, and not just in the shallow sense in which anti-immigration "nativists" are native.

Spiritual Technology / Re: druidry is the ideal rewilding spiritual path.
« on: February 15, 2009, 08:23:25 PM »
I don't know about the ideal path, but I'm sure many stand to benefit from exploring druidry. If I remember correctly druids were unique to the British Isles or Celtic cultures more generally. I would expect those that live in those regions, those that live in similar regions and those whose ancestors came from those regions to benefit the most from studying druidry.

Grief & Praise / Re: Help understanding something
« on: February 15, 2009, 08:17:46 PM »
I don't eat meat anymore, mostly because it stopped tasting good to me, but I also have to take into consideration the abhorrent system of factory farming. I still eat dairy products and occasionally eggs, however, which are also usually factory farmed. I also eat seafood, which I sometimes feel guilty about, though living on the coast makes it easier to seek out the least destructive locally caught stuff. However, the only way I could be completely consistent with my ethics is to completely escape industrial agriculture.

As a side note; vegan recipes are great for those looking to lower their caloric intake.

**READ HERE FIRST** / Re: Direction of this website?
« on: February 15, 2009, 08:03:50 PM »
I personally, and doubtless many others, need to work on improving my social skills and communication. If I become a more outgoing person I will at least be able to tell people about rewilding and get the message out there. It will also help organizing efforts. Other community-oriented projects I've worked on in the past have relied heavily on parliamentary (blech) or consensus approaches to discussion & decision-making. Rewilding doesn't strike me as something that would be done by committee. I considered getting a guerrilla gardening co-op together in the town I currently live in, but I'll only be here a few more days. Hopefully once I'm settled in my new town I will be able to get something started. Another challenge is that many cities in this era of late civilization have very few authentic communities to speak of.

As far as this website goes, I think it needs a top-down approach. Currently we have a forum with people from all over discussing things in a more or less universalistic manner. The wiki has the skeleton of N. American bioregions and some local stuff pertaining to the Pacific NW. I guess the first step would be to flesh out the bioregional stuff and then move on to specific localities. I'd offer tp help but I should probably learn something about bioregions first.

I'm fed up with techno-utopianism. It's naive and stupid. People have been expecting technology to make our lives better for at least two centuries, probably longer. Has life gotten better? I've only been on this planet for two decades, but it seems pretty clear that the answer is "no". People cheer advances in medicine that may make us live longer. Why are they focused on lengthening the span of life rather than improving its quality? How about making life worth living longer first?

Yesterday I read Murray Bookchin's Social Anarchism or Lifestyle Anarchism. If you're not familiar with the work it's thesis is that traditional anarchism and all of the developments in anarchism post-1960's (including anarcho-primativism) are incompatible with one another. In the work Bookchin makes some rather ludicrous but not uncommon claims. Overall he seems like an intelligent individual, but his blindly pro-technology bias despite its overwhelming use to further the aims of governments and industries is intellectually untenable. Further, he propounds science and rationality as the exclusively useful methods directing theory and praxis. Because that's never proved to be destructive...

Just today I saw a headline quoting some Obama cabinet member to the effect 'The only thing that can save us from the climate crisis is improving technology'. Really? Considering that the development of technology got us into this mess in the first place? Considering that sustainable technologies already exist and have existed for tens of thousands of years? What is wrong with these people?

Back to the topic of disappointment with intelligentsia... recall in Endgame Jensen's treatment of Gandhi; that he was one of those figures that even seems to revere but he just couldn't? That's how I feel about Chomsky. First of all, he's boring. Not just his meandering speech, but what he has to say as well. He is critical of a lot of the oppressive structures of contemporary US and world in general, but doesn't bother delving deeper. He claims to be an anarchist, but as Zerzan has deftly pointed out he's little more than a liberal.

Grief & Praise / Re: our illusory shared space
« on: February 12, 2009, 12:47:15 PM »
In a little over a decade of surfing the internet this is probably the most important virtual space I have ever found. Though I have not been a member long I feel like there are many kindred spirits here. When I get my next paycheck I'm going to send some funds your way, Urban Scout.

Relationships, Partnerships & Sexuality / Re: Parents
« on: February 11, 2009, 09:25:09 AM »
I've always felt really lucky to have my parents, and reading some of the postings here I am reminded why.

My father is quiet but always plugging away on some project, a characteristic I inherited. He has been a Zen practitioner for several decades now, but I can tell by looking at his bookshelf that he explored a lot of "alternative spiritualities" when he was younger. These days he spends his free time landscape gardening, both at home and the local Zen center. He is extremely hard-working: I don't know that he's ever taken a day off of work (except vacation days) and he has always picked up the slack from the rest of the family's lack of housework (including cooking). He generally supports progressive politics, but is more critical than my mother. The only times I can recall him espousing civilization explicitly was to criticize my brothers' uncouth table manners.

My mother has had her struggles with depression, like many in her family. She really doesn't like her job, but hasn't made the additional step of questioning the job culture altogether. She works in a library and is content to spend her free time reading novels and watching TV. She is uncritically liberal and is thrilled to have a president that can speak English coherently. She hates camping and has often used the word "civilization" positively.

I include my aunt because she helped my parents in raising me and my brothers when we were younger and because our relationship has grown closer in recent years. I've never really understood her and my mother's relationship, my mom describes her as not as crazy as she pretends to be. She lives in a rural area (much to my mother's chagrin) with her partner and several pets. Despite this, she lives mostly off of government food. She's really into New Agey spiritualities (most recently Baha'i and Sylvia Browne [gag]) and susceptible to fuzzy thinking. Conversely, she is one of  the most intuitive people I have known, probably why she was once a nurse. I told her a few months ago that I don't hold much truck with politics and she agreed. We've also discussed the inevitability of societal collapse and 2012 predictions.

All of this is highly relevant to me right now because I will be moving in with my parents next month, having graduated from college last May. Explaining my completely reoriented worldview to my parents will be interesting. My father will probably be interested in my ideas, but won't have much commentary. My mother will definitely be resistant. I'm really worried about how my family will fare when this civilization inevitably collapses. They don't have much money saved up, and survivalism/preparedness is totally foreign to them. They own (via mortgage) their suburban house in a city that was thrown together with car-based transportation as the only option. I'm planning on moving in a few months to learn horticulture at a tech school about two hours from where my aunt lives. I think she would be quite receptive to rewilding and could probably help me get jobs on nearby farms. I have always understood that I would inevitably have to support my elders as they become to old to look after themselves, but I'm only recently coming to the understanding that this may (probably?) will be in a post-collapse context. I will try to convey this sense of duty to my brothers, who seem to lack all sense of responsibility.

Relationships, Partnerships & Sexuality / Re: Family problems
« on: February 11, 2009, 08:27:29 AM »
I used to follow to New Age/Liberal cliche that anger is almost always a bad thing, but after reading Endgame I have come to accept the existence of righteous indignation. Nevertheless, I feel like an angry disposition can often be counterproductive. I'm still trying to figure out the balance...

I am sorry that your situation happened the way it did and that your former partner could not be persuaded to see the deathlust inherent in civilization. I wonder how the situation  is with the child (if you don't mind my asking). Is he old enough to discuss civilization with him? Even in really basic ways like asking him if he knows where the things on his dinner plate came from or why his mother has to go to work so much, etc? If you are able to see him enough to instill the spirit of critical inquiry...

**READ HERE FIRST** / Re: Introductions
« on: February 11, 2009, 08:10:41 AM »
Welcome Earthmother. Sounds like your lifestyle is about where I would like to be in the next few years. I would like to learn more about the biodynamic method (and gardening in general, for that matter). I know Helen & Scott Nearing employed some biodynamic techniques, but not much beyond the outline presented on Wikipedia.

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