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Health, Healing & Movement / Re: Weight Loss
« on: October 02, 2010, 06:59:17 AM »
Yeah yeah - old thread I know, but so are like 90% here...

So I wanted to say I am interested, too. I list 20# by dropping sweet drinks.
But before I was never eating breakfast, just water and little for lunch but still gained weight a lot over time. I guess I just made up for it by drinking Coke and eating the wrong stuff. For the past 3 years, I'm living with friends and we all take time twice a week to cook properly and share. So everyone gets a self cooked meal daily :D - Now all we need to do is to get everyone to cook healthy ;)

Exercise is really a bit of a trouble. The time between sleep, work, cooking/eating and doing housework like cleaning and washing is not exactly huge and there are about 20 things I want to do in that time, like making a bow, practicing archery, sewing clothes, read rewild.info and some other stuff, read books, watch the media on the "Must see list" in this forum, try to make fire with a bowdrill, paint, tend the garden,.... so to go out jogging or aerobics is always a bit of a "waste of time". Better is to walk the dog or go mountain hiking - that is at least fun at the same time it is moving the body ;)


Health, Healing & Movement / Re: Foot advice
« on: October 02, 2010, 06:43:54 AM »
I have done a lot of barefoot walking this year and found it really nice. I don't know if it healed any trouble, though thinking of it, I used to have some pain that I did not notice for the whole year now.
Ok, there is some pain in walking barefoot in many areas I tried, mainly paths that are gravelled. Or that creek valley I walked up recently in the mountains.  Sometimes one can make awkward movements when stepping on a stone in the wrong way, so people who have weak muscles or tendons should take it easy at first.

But if one has been doing this for a while, I would not expect any bad effects coming from that. So that doc is probably referring to previous foot problems that have not gone away completely yet, so he gives the solution he always gives in that case. The very least I would do in such a case is ask at least 1-2 other experts - or continue barefooting without his crap and then go back half a year later for a checkup and pretend you used the contraptions. I would LMAO if he would say then "see, it is better now thanks to my advice" and you could just bomb him with the fact that you did not follow it :D :P

I can imagine however that there are conditions resulting from anything like bad shoes, accidents etc that would make barefooting a bad choice. Like if you have ripped your tendons, having a leg that is shorter or any other more severe stuff.

Grief & Praise / Re: If Mars Attacks
« on: October 01, 2010, 06:46:49 AM »
Nice article. Water bears. I have not heard of them.

Here you have a way to spread life to other planets other than fancy generation ships filled with humans and data on DNA ;)

Though one thing is not as easy. The planets that are out there and are int he "habitable zone" around their stars would have an atmosphere in equilibrium with the geology, meaning one that is similar to that of mars and venus in composition, meaning mostly CO2, N2, maybe Methane and H2O, no O2. Such planets would not actually be habitable to animal life and may without life even be too hot to be habitable after all.
This is based on palaeontological evidence. It means basically that life itself created a habitable planet. If it was not for bacteria who changed the atmosphere of Earth 2.2 billion years ago ((hehe - my diploma thesis was on rocks from 2.2 bil years ago)) into something containing less CO2 and more O2, the earth today would be too hot, too dry and without breathable oxygen. Especially the latter one would prevent any advanced organisms to take a hold on that planet. For bacteria it may be possible though. And of course a planet that already has bacterial life that changed the atmosphere would be susceptible to an alien invasion by multicelled tiny organisms.

Some people even think, that funghi would be a really good way for life to spread into space, as their spores are also quite resistant and they can also grow almost anywhere and also without oxygen.

This is a fascinating topic!

Wow - that is quite a summary :) - Some things sounds a bit far fetched, but overall, it really seems like the nordic mythology holds the same kind of hints to the "agricultural revolution" as the bible does.
The post-ragnarök scenario is interesting indeed. It has a lot in common with christian genesis-paradise actually (two humans in a forest with edibles growing by themselves). Just here it is at the end of the mythology not at the beginning, though in a way it is also the beginning.

Ancient mythology has a lot of circular times, that is something one has to accept, I guess. It always seems like the storytellers did not have a linear time concept, so that what is in the future is also in the past and vice versa.

From that perspective it is also interesting to note, that many mythologies seem to have similar elements, just at different ends of the "timeline".

I read an interesting book once about mythology. It was also very convincing in terms of the apocalyptic visions shared in many mythologies around the globe. The basis of it is, that a comet struck Earth at around 10.000 bc. Many stories of apocalypse, ragnarök, the rapture but also of creation, genesis do fit into the events that one would expect from the aftermath of this (fire from the sky, darkness, colored rain, crops dying, tsunami, light coming back, plants coming back, animals coming back,...).
Its quite interesting, esp as they have found geologic evidence for such an impact recently.

It kind of makes me wonder if that event actually caused some people to become mad from PTSD and founded the kind of destructive culture we see.

Anyways - I am straying OT. ;) - While nordic mythology is not exactly german mythology, I think they probably share a lot and I like your summary. :)

To avoid double-post, I link to another post in the forum: http://www.rewild.info/conversations/index.php?board=22.0

Grief & Praise / Re: collapse news
« on: September 24, 2010, 05:54:04 AM »

Today, people are drawing so much water from below that they are adding enough of it to the oceans [...] to account for about 25 percent of the annual sea level rise across the planet
Soaring global groundwater depletion bodes a potential disaster for an increasingly globalized agricultural system, says Marc Bierkens of Utrecht University [...] If you let the population grow by extending the irrigated areas using groundwater that is not being recharged, then you will run into a wall at a certain point in time, and you will have hunger and social unrest to go with it," Bierkens warns. "That is something that you can see coming for miles."
(American Geophysical Union.)

Grief & Praise / rewilding childcare
« on: September 24, 2010, 05:49:25 AM »
This is nice evidence:

"Three new studies led by Notre Dame Psychology Professor Darcia Narvaez show a relationship between child rearing practices common in foraging hunter-gatherer societies (how we humans have spent about 99 percent of our history) and better mental health, greater empathy and conscience development, and higher intelligence in children."


Grief & Praise / Re: DOUBLE RAINBOW
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:48:14 AM »
Haha - funny video, are you sure the guy did not smoke something? But I guess the feeling he expresses is quite real and I can imagine that this is really amazing. Just he expresses it by talking which makes it a bit funny.

Hehe - on the last rewild festival I was participating, there was also a bright double rainbow. People stopped walking down from the gathering place to the camp to stare at it. It was really beautiful. No one started to talk like the video guy though ;)

Visions of the Rewilding Renaissance / Re: A Model For Reviving H/G Culture
« on: September 20, 2010, 08:51:31 AM »
Thank you for this nice post and idea. It sounds like a faboulous idea indeed.

I have long since understood chiefdom always in the way you explain it here and it is the only way it can work properly. If beeing a chief is a task, a duty and holds basically no power, then there is no incentive for people to strive for that position. This is the way it seems, many indigenous people who have stayed egalitarian handle things. It is also apparent for example in "Original Wisdom" (Robert Wolff) in which the healer/shaman position is more of an additional function of that person rather than him beeing a specialist.

The fluidity and thereby freedom in that concept makes it very appealing. Also basically the idea to form a large hunting/gathering habitat by doing a patchwork, basically linking small areas into one large one (even if that means sadly to use plenty of tranportation) is a great one, as continous large habitats to truely rewild are limited indeed. Of course such a scattered (in place and time) setting may also make it harder to form some sort of community spirit, but I guess subgroups (circles of friends) may form from this.

I have some comments though.
First of all, I am with Godzilla here, that it is sometimes hard to find places that allow camps. I live in Europe and if you do not want to break laws, it is practically impossible to do this properly. Here in Germany, there is almost no land that one can take significant amounts of food from without permission - not to mention that there are few places at all that give wild food in abundance as almost all land is "managed". There are strict laws (requiring large investments to abide by them) on hunting, fishing, camping and almost all "nice" areas are protected, meaning you cant even collect firewood. This basically reduces gatherings/camps to private land with permission of the owner who of course usually will want compensation for land use...

There is the movement of "rainbow tribe" people who do many gatherings and some of them actually move from camp to camp for longer periods of time. Sadly, due to the restrictions I mentioned, these camps usually require people to bring food instead of gathering it locally, so it requires people to earn money and buy food for that time. Still it is something of a similar idea: They also have local "focalizers"(=Chiefs) who find a locality, know about the rules of that locality and keep an eye on it; the camps last 2-4 weeks and basically everyone is accepted. Often the camps have a "theme" like eating raw food or only veggie food or whatever...

Another one is your statement, that intentional communities are extremely prone to fail and inadequate means. I am still reading a book on intentional communities referenced here: http://tobyspeople.com/ideas/storyjamming and it seems there are promising ways to do this still. (Hehe of course I am digging intentional communities, so obvioulsy I am trying to defend that idea ;) ). But after all, people in natural communities also do not get along all the time and still stick together. Even within a circle of friends or within a family, disputes, dislike and anger can get into the way. A way to work against this is described in that article as building a solid community spirit beyond a shared belief.

I had a "vision" some time ago to actually link existing and new intentional communities by a similar system of visits, but while this puts a legal basis on things and secures landbase, of course this involves a lot more dedication and is much less likely to succeed than your system due to the higher investemnts needed. It would however enable people to not have to work ugly jobs for half a year to finance their life.

I am still thinking of intentional communities as a possibility - with some extensions, like setting up partnerships with other communities for visits and sharing of food etc and another extension we came up with is a nomadic camp as you described in your post. Some people, maybe several groups would go on extended trips or travels for a time ("hunting/fishing trips"). That way, people could also get out of camp and away of conflicts. I dont know if this setup is possible though, it would require quite a specific setting (a fixed mostly self sustaining settlement with plenty of public land in the vicinity for these trips) and maybe ties to other people with similar ideas or to your proposed network of temporary camps (there could be gatherings at these communities).

What I want to know is, how do you think will people deal with large gatherings and many unknown people. Groups of people beyond Dunbars number, especially ones with changing participants are prone to a number of ill effects like all kinds of anonymity issues (not beeing able to connect to all the people there personally). Not having to deal with someone else later makes it easier to offend others or simply not care. Probably rewilding-people are different in their mindset, but I see an issue with too large gatherings. How do you think this would work out?

Overall, I have to say, I like your idea very much! Independent of the mode of living one has in the times between these camps (like living in the city working or living in an intentional community) this seems a good idea to build something, at least in suitable areas.

I think "homeless" people are indeed fascinating. Some have actually moved beyond beeing homeless and instead changed their mindset towards a neo-tribalism with nomadic elements. Thinking of it, if you do an "Alexander Supertramp" ;) - packing your tent and some stuff and some people and move about in the wild for some time, you are essentially also homeless, though most will probably have a backup home to return to ;)

On illness, I think this is a large topic. Medical help, especially trauma surgery and some serious disease care are probably among the single most appreciable things about civilization. Industrial food, TV, media, cars, cities, all-you-can-drink parties, the internet, videogames - if all that goes away I would not care and for others it would be merely an inconvenience. But to fall off a tree or be bitten by a bear and then have no surgeon ... Or swallow a bad mushroom, get a severe disease or parasite and not have a doctor - that sounds pretty bad. Bad enough for me to punch a nick in my dreams of a rewilded world...

Sorry for long post ;) - Greetings

EDIT: PS: When talking to a friend about this idea we thought of something: Do you think there are many areas that really can provide in a small area enough food for many people. often, gathering is only sustainable because the resources are widely scattered. Of course a fruit tree orchard or a river in salmon season would be able to provide, but many of the wild edibles are only there in abundance for a small number of people. If too many people come to a place, they may overstrain it, right? I am not too familiar with such settings - maybe you can tell me some more examples at what places (with what "resources") such a gathering/camp could happen?

**READ HERE FIRST** / Re: Introductions
« on: September 20, 2010, 05:41:06 AM »
Hi, Enrico. I always thought Italy is nice, but I guess I have seen only the good parts. Its the same here in Germany. Are you writing the subtitles in conjunction with the makers of that movie or did you just go for it? I could provide subtitles in German, if there is need for that. I also did a lot or RPGs and medieval stuff ;). Congrats on reading the "thirty" - i am just halfway through, distracted by the other essays ;) - BTW - the "anthropik" site changed name some time ago and it seems that the links to the graphics are lost - is there a version that is working or does someone know Jason to ask him to fix it?

Hi, Sarah. Sounds like an interesting job. I am always amazed at how detached kids are. I have some tales to tell, you probably have them too. Like kids not knowing if fire was real, if one could actually eat food cooked ofer a fire, sleep in tents and even if my dogs and a baby of a friend are robots! (That happened when we participated in medieval reenactment). They can be disgusted at milk from cows, wanting the one from the bottle in the supermarket instead (WTF!). Do your best to educate them ;) . Talking of beeing a "downer" - I can be that sometimes, I admit. Not always though. But one time I ranted against civ with solid arguments long enough that the person I talked to finally started banging his head against the wall and said he cannot sleep now. It was kind of funny to see the effect of what I run through my head all the time on a person that never thought of it ;)

**READ HERE FIRST** / Re: Introductions
« on: August 27, 2010, 05:30:55 PM »
Hehe as a thirty something non-male from far away I cannot really comment on that, but I feel a bit envious about you already have reached a goal I still wish to achieve some day - having a land base, setting up a life there and planning a food forest and garden. I wonder, what you envision in that hunter and gatherer area though - what are your plans there - what will that look like?

Haha - yeah. Car alarms. I hate those. I heard them a lot when I was in the US. Here, they are a little less common, but where I live now, there are sometimes alarms from houses, as I live in a small property with some garden, large trees but also commercial property all around. I also had to get used to the railway. Its better than my previous place in the city though, where I almost got evicted for setting up a secret roof garden LOL - still. I want to get into a more serene place...
Why did you move in the city anyways, if you liked it better in the place you had been before?

Transition Tech / Re: Transition Tech: The Game
« on: August 27, 2010, 01:39:36 PM »
Ah - ok. I'm dumb ;)
So next: A microwave oven

u know theres also a nazi thing in germany.
with rules and groups hidden people with nazi thoughts.
You mean stuff like the "Fürstentum Germania" - I just saw a take on that. It really downs me. At first glance it sounded like a nice thing - people getting together to form a sustainable community with emphasis on self sustaining and getting rid of state influence, but then it started to get odd as they proclaimed independent from Germany and printed their own passports and once you dig deeper into it, a whole crapload of conspiracy theories, esoteric mumbojumbo, NAZI thinking, antisemitism, feudalism, hierarchies, neglect and frantic collapsism is dropped on you. I really hate such things, as they make a constructive, realistic and sane consideration of a future beyond industrialization and/or civilization look like foolish doomsdaying originating in crazy esoteric cults. blarch!

Media Reviews & Recommendations / Re: Must-see Media, IMHO
« on: August 24, 2010, 09:57:43 AM »
I'm just watching some Animees. Princess Mononoke of course, and Nausicaa are great (also recommend other animes from that makers). What I watch right now is "Arjuna" - its more for younger folks probably and a bit blunt in its message ;) - Still I like it (IMDB:7.6). It is a series with several episodes with the typical japanese "superability-heroe" theme, just in this case it is completely about a panthesistic worldview and critique on industrial civilization. I especially liked the permaculture garden of the man in the mountain.
If you - eh - borrow it, make sure you watch the parts after the credits also, I missed them at first ;)

Also some documentaries of interest:
"Food Inc." (About where american food comes from)
"Gasland" (on the horrible effects of hydraulic fracturing on the watersheds)
"HOME" (general environmentalist - quite good with beautiful pictures)
"Dead Society"
"What a way to go" (white industrialized male coming to grips)
"End:Civ" (in the making...)

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